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    One thing that should be different is the fact that all folders collapse when I access a resource like a chunk. When I work between a TV and a chunk and you have many categories this can be quite a hassle.

    Second is the system settings should have the navigation in the top too. Not only in the bottom.

    Third, the template TV’s all end up in the tv tab and then again in category tabs.
    It should be possible to switch in between the old modx and new revo style.
    I always used to set up the order of the TV’s in the template like they appear on the actual webpage... End users understand the layout better that way but now they have all these tabs.
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      Quote from: jrotering at Sep 09, 2010, 11:21 AM
      With a scroll-wheel-equipped mouse, this is no problem at all. But on a laptop with a touchpad, it can be kind of tricky. If I’m working in the tree area, and need to scroll down, it is quite a chore* to scroll all the way over to the right side of the screen to get at the scroll bar.
      If you use a MacBook you can scroll using two fingers on the trackpad, otherwise you can usually scroll up and down with one finger along the right edge of the trackpad.
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        So I’ve been getting back in to revo after a while, and here’s my notes from the learning experience. I’m not going to debate back and forth about the virtues of various features, but I do hope that maybe this will be useful at least somewhat as feedback. Once again, its great software that makes me very happy and I hope to continue using for a long time, and these are just lots of little things smiley

        Note that a lot of these are little issues that could be considered ’stupid’. But you should be able to be stupid and still navigate the interface easily. That way you can put mental energies towards other things instead. (I hesitate to mention it, but mac products are generally a good example of this).

        Counterintuitivities:
        - Template variable - Using input: image and output: html tag does not create an img tag.
        - TV - Quick update should allow template assignments.
        - Nomenclature of ’edit’ and ’update’, from edit resource/quick update. Both of them mean edit, only one is quick. They should be the same word.
        - Having right click -> edit doesn’t make any sense. Thats what left click is for. Its too easy to end up editing when looking for quick edit (and not seeing it, because the word update is used..)
        - why would there be hover help for the well known Content Type but not some mysterious ’modDocument’ ’Class Key’?
        - mysterious errors, reminiscent of windows 95: when trying to delete the page named ’home’, it says: "The resource is ’Site start’ and cannot be deleted!". Confusing, because the page is named home and the message, if one does not know about the setting, seems to indicate that the page is now named ’Site Start’. It should at least say where to find site start, which is buried in pages of (ajax-slow) settings. I had to find a thread about this one: http://modxcms.com/forums/index.php?topic=1457.0
        - Site settings and manager settings are quite different and should not be in the same menu topic. Especially if one doesn’t know site settings exist, one assumes the page is all just manager settings.
        - There’s this nice list of top-popular packages. Unfortunately, you can’t click on them.
        - Had to go in to settings and turn on friendly alias path and auto generate friendly aliases in order to have wayfinder show any text. Don’t know why, but it shouldn’t be necessary, or should at least be mentioned obviously.


        Interface Glitches:
        - Template variable - changing output type did not activate the save button.
        - The tree collapsed after creating a template variable. This makes no sense, as an empty tree is not useful. At least TVs or some such should have been open?
        - After editing the ’site start’ setting, the description box was empty..
        - Whenever I use the package manager, the next button doesn’t work after selecting a provider. Always have to reload the page and then it works.
        - Grey dropshadows remaining sometimes after closing a dialog.
        - Random grey bar across the bottom of the screen all the time. Double click and it goes away.
        - To use the dropdown for a setting, I double click. which hides the help. Opening the help again hides the select box. Can’t see the select box and the help for the select box at the same time.
        - If you create a new page and the first thing you do is change template, it warns you that you’ll lose all your work. Wasted click.
        - if you quick update a resource that already open in full-edit, the tree gets refreshed but open resource does not. This wouldn’t be a problem if the save button always worked with full-edit. (Thats not a problem with quick update, because the button doesn’t disable).
        - After saving a chunk, save button doesn’t deactivate.
        - tried to open chunks in the tree while the manager was loading for the first time. Instead, the chunks arrow broke and didn’t open. Had to reload manager.

        General Improvements:
        - Ajax is nice but still slow. HTML5 caching could be implemented all over the place, to show stale data while new data is loading. (Such as tree, which most of the time would be fine)
        - Like syntax highlighting, when going inside [[__]] brackets, it would be really cool if there was an indicator saying whether its TV, chuck variable, snippet, chunk, link, cached, uncached, whatever else. Would be great for catching horrible newbie mistakes.
        - Javascript syntax checking would be really nice.
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          Hi, can you file those as bugs and/or improvements here: http://bugs.modx.com/ so that they don’t get lost in the forums?
            shaun mccormick | bigcommerce mgr of software engineering, former modx co-architect | github | splittingred.com
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            Please insert the menu on the system settings page not only at the bottom.
            It’s a big big hassle to scroll down to be able to go to page 4 and then scroll up again because you need to be in the top of the page.
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              is there any way to make the manager less javascripty?
              I’m using FF and find it much slower to use overall compared to modx evo.
              While chrome is a bit faster, it still feels like reloading everything is taking a while, maybe there could be the option to do a refresh the resources/elements manually



              Also, I’m not sure if this was mentioned before, but I wasn’t able to find anything on it sofar.

              In FF and chrome, the category tabs show up under template-variables, but in IE I get a list of all the tvs uncategorized
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                Well the tabs for the TV’s. I had to get used to them as well. For me it’s ok now but it would be great if there could be an option in the system setting where people can choose the way of displaying the TV’s. Classic or New with the tabs.
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                  Hi onepack, can you file that as a Feature Request here: http://bugs.modx.com/
                    shaun mccormick | bigcommerce mgr of software engineering, former modx co-architect | github | splittingred.com
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                    Done under "Feature #2480" (http://bugs.modx.com/issues/2480).
                    Nice improvement to work with Redmine! Good work guys.
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                      I quite often make a TV where users can enter the (internal) "page id" of a page that they want to link to with next to that a TV where they can fill in the "link Text" or "name" for that link. For instance you have a series of footer links where you let the user fill in the name of the link and the page id to link to..

                      Wouldn’t it make our lives easier if we could have one standard TV value with the "Site Tree" that Transforms into a link to that page and uses the menu name field (or an other option) as the link name... Just like you can make a site link in the rich content fields.

                      Or maybe by adding [[~]]as an URL input type value and the TV resource link field could function as the name displayed.

                      Let me know what you think of this.