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    Quote from: pleth at Aug 17, 2010, 09:30 AM

    Package Management, Updates Available: you can see the available updates, but have to right click to begin the update process. Doesn’t seem like such a big deal, but it took a forum post for me to figure it out.
    Hahaha I’m kicking myself now - I didn’t even realise we could update packages this way!! I’ve been clicking on Add New Package, browsing to the updated package, downloading it and installing it...

    Thanks for pointing this out!!
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      Quote from: rthrash at Aug 17, 2010, 10:47 AM

      Quote from: purpler at Aug 17, 2010, 10:13 AM

      I have usability concerns since first impression is that application is way too much code bloating the base.
      <snip>
      My other frustration is unbelievable amount of JS code used since it really makes hard for people with no brand-new computers and components to accomplish the task with constant hiccups from buttons which do not react on clicks to hung document saving and eternally lasting "Please Wait, Saving" window where only browser page reload helps.

      These are valid concerns tied to ExtJS generated UIs as Shaun and others stated. For now there’s not a lot we can do about it but we are aware and it will get better over time. Thanks for your feedback (and see my previous post for one option).


      I think you should give more importance to that issue cause for many people it makes CMS unusable. With my Mac pwrBook (2.66 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo - 4 GB - OSX 10.5, maybe not a "brand-new computer" but...) I get that everlasting "Please Wait..." almost always I try to save, with Safari, Firefox and even Chrome.
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        Quote from: anto-fle at Sep 01, 2010, 04:43 AM

        I think you should give more importance to that issue cause for many people it makes CMS unusable. With my Mac pwrBook (2.66 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo - 4 GB - OSX 10.5, maybe not a "brand-new computer" but...) I get that everlasting "Please Wait..." almost always I try to save, with Safari, Firefox and even Chrome.

        Do you use tinyMCE ?
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          anto-fle, Have you gotten this issue on just one test install? I have a 07 Macbook Pro w/ 3 GB Ram and a 2nd gen intel Macbook and both have no problems with the manager? The perpetual save may be an issue with a proxy or bad install. This is not normal behaviour even on a slow machine. I saw this issue on an early version of Revo but my guess is something more is going on.
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            Quote from: smashingred at Sep 01, 2010, 06:19 AM

            anto-fle, Have you gotten this issue on just one test install? I have a 07 Macbook Pro w/ 3 GB Ram and a 2nd gen intel Macbook and both have no problems with the manager? The perpetual save may be an issue with a proxy or bad install. This is not normal behaviour even on a slow machine. I saw this issue on an early version of Revo but my guess is something more is going on.

            It can be linked to tinyMCE.
            On several install, i had issues when tinyMCE was activated, but no issues on resources with richtext uncoched.

            Many people have solves this problem by desactivating tinyMCE.
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              I have also observed that the Revo Manager is so heavily mouse-oriented that my hand has actually become sore working in the Manager.
              Been there, done that 20 years or so ago. Get a squeeze ball and use it. I also learned to become mouse-ambidextrous; I switch between left hand and right hand every so often.

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                Great: Loved the package manager part of things. Although some packages, such as the ldap/active authentication directory plugin which I understand is Beta laugh, went live without proper configuration and gave white screen of death when logging back into manager.

                Good/great : Easier on the eyes for sure but v.much as the cost of speed & response times. Love the rtfm pages

                Poor: Manager interface performance is shockingly slow. So slow it’s un-usable for me. (Do I have money for a more powerful laptop?! No.) Unable to use it on a 1024 wide netbook (in case you hadn’t guessed) when going to edit templates main edit window disappears, resizing side panel not doing anything to ease this either. Chrome (on Ubuntu) doesn’t make things ’particularly’ quicker either. Firefox, forget it.

                Sorry but revo seems to be somewhat bloated for me to efficiently use. I’ll carry on using Evo for now if that’s ok. (I’m sure you’ve all heard this a few times but the past day or so has been spent wrangling with these very real and un-fortunate user experiences for me).

                Still loving Modx, just hope it’s not weighing itself down past being that responsive version I tuned into few years back.

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                  Quote from: sottwell at Aug 21, 2010, 01:47 AM

                  Yes, that was one of the main reasons why Revolution was written the way it is. The MODx part is just a module? component? (not sure of the Revo terminology here), and can be replaced with anything you want. Revo is a framework, with a CMS included. All modular, all customizable as much as you please.
                  The Manager is actually built using the Revo APIs + ExtJS + a sprinkling of Smarty. If you can use the API you can replace the Manager.
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                    I’m not sure if I can articulate this without sounding slightly crazy. But I guess that’s the tone of most of my posts, so here goes.

                    I have a moderately annoying recurring issue with using the resource/element/file trees. My trees are rather long, and require vertical scrolling of the page to get to the items further down.

                    With a scroll-wheel-equipped mouse, this is no problem at all. But on a laptop with a touchpad, it can be kind of tricky. If I’m working in the tree area, and need to scroll down, it is quite a chore* to scroll all the way over to the right side of the screen to get at the scroll bar.

                    On a typical web page, the way I get around this issue is to just use the arrow keys. As long as the focus is on the main/normal content area of the page (not in a form field, embedded video, etc), this works well.

                    The problem is, there isn’t much "main/normal content area" over near the tree column. Typically there is just a thin grey vertical strip between the tree column and the content area (which is mostly text fields - especially near the bottom, which is usually where the main textarea or RTE field is at).

                    If I can maneuver over and click on this narrow strip of "neutral zone", I can then use the arrow keys to scroll down.

                    However, often times I’ll fail to stick my landing, and either A) click too far to the right, in the textarea/RTE box (which merely causes a temporary annoyance ’cuz the down-arrow won’t scroll the page), or B) click too far to the left, just inside of the tree column... which ends up loading some random resource I didn’t want to load (D’OH!). That is particularly annoying when I’ve got unsaved work on the current resource & was looking to scroll down and do a Quick-Update on some other item.

                    As I’ve been writing this long, rambling description of my problem, I think maybe I’ve stumbled upon an elegant solution:

                    Rather than the current behavior of "a single-click anywhere in the tree column opens the nearest horizontally-adjacent item for editing", a more user-friendly (IMHO) approach would be

                    • a single-click anywhere in the tree column puts *focus* on the nearest horizontally-adjacent item *without* opening it for editing.
                    • Once focus is on an item in the tree, the arrow keys can then be used to scroll up or down within the tree (moving focus up or down the list).
                    • An additional click on an item that already has the focus opens that item for editing

                    Effectively I’m proposing that a single-click in the tree allows arrow scrolling, and a double-click is required to edit a file. Perhaps for convenience, single-click-to-edit could still work when clicking directly on the text of the item name (rather than in the block of fill-space).

                    Either that or a scrollbar on the resource tree when it extends beyond the viewable screen space... but that doesn’t seem nearly as elegant.

                    There you have it. My UI suggestion.

                    * I realize that having to make three horizontal swipes on a touchpad to reach the right-side scrollbar really does not qualify as a "chore". This is definitely a "First-World Problem" smiley





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                      Quote from: TomMLS at Sep 01, 2010, 08:24 AM

                      I have also observed that the Revo Manager is so heavily mouse-oriented that my hand has actually become sore working in the Manager. sad

                      Yeah, what he said. Adding more keyboard shortcuts in general for navigating around in Revo Manager is really at the heart of my previous long, rambling observation.