Understanding Web vs. Manager Users

Hi

I’ve installed a fresh 2.6.0 final site, however when I add web users with the correct permissions to view certain pages, and set up the default page for them to be sent to after logging in, then actually try to log in, it keeps tellig me "Incorrect username or password" even though I know it’s correct for that web user.

I am right in thinking that at mysite.com/manager web users can use this form to log in and be redirected to the page I’ve specified right? It’s just not working at all for me

You’re confusing MANAGER users with WEB users. Only Manager users can log into the manager. See the MODx documentation for more info on how web users work.

Yes, but I’m not - you’ve misunderstood me.

Web users could go to mysite.com/manager to log into the FRONT END in previous versions as I recall. I’m pretty sure I’m not just making this up.

This whole thing could be made less confusing in future versions

(It would also help if when people split posts from topic that they leave a note in the original topic saying they’ve done this as it took me about 5 minutes to find my post).

Update:

Even using the weblogin snippet to log in with my web user’s account it just isn’t working. It’s just not logging them in, but rather keeping them on the page with the sign-in form (and I’ve specified another page which only Web Users can view as the page to be taken to once logged in, and no I can’t access it when submitting my user’s details via the form ).

Quote from: Pete at Jun 10, 2007, 03:55 AM

Yes, but I’m not - you’ve misunderstood me.

Web users could go to mysite.com/manager to log into the FRONT END in previous versions as I recall. I’m pretty sure I’m not just making this up.

This whole thing could be made less confusing in future versions

Look at the Roadmap for 097. We agree. But you are in fact making this up ... webusers never have been able to login from the manager login without extra coding involved anyway.

(It would also help if when people split posts from topic that they leave a note in the original topic saying they’ve done this as it took me about 5 minutes to find my post).

Update:

Even using the weblogin snippet to log in with my web user’s account it just isn’t working. It’s just not logging them in, but rather keeping them on the page with the sign-in form (and I’ve specified another page which only Web Users can view as the page to be taken to once logged in, and no I can’t access it when submitting my user’s details via the form ).

Sounds like your weblogin snippet is on a cached page and called cached. Try calling like [!Weblogin ... !]

I could’ve sworn it worked that way before... guess I was wrong then

Yes, it does appear it was cached. I’m so ashamed - definitely won’t be trying things like this late at night or early in the morning again, at least not without some coffee

Cheers for the help chaps!

I could be grossly mistaken, sorry if so - but, maybe what you’re remembering is a Manager User to login via yoursite.com/manager/ - and then have edit functionality via QuickEdit. Sometimes I’ll hit the preview button from within Manager and eventually forget that I’m still logged in. So it *seems* like you’re logged in via the frontend (as a webuser).. The roadmap seems to have this flow sorted nicely, can’t wait.

This thread is a great one to show the importance of making sure to not cache your log in pages. I will keep this in mind; good stuff Zap and Pete.

Quote from: Pete at Jun 10, 2007, 09:29 AM

I could’ve sworn it worked that way before... guess I was wrong then

I think you’ve installed ManagerLogin and forgot this was a snippet feature allowing your manager user to log from a front end form... it is all there is to it, you did indeed confuse things a bit but I can understand how it could happen

Quote from: robot at Jun 15, 2007, 10:06 AM

I could be grossly mistaken, sorry if so - but, maybe what you’re remembering is a Manager User to login via yoursite.com/manager/ - and then have edit functionality via QuickEdit. Sometimes I’ll hit the preview button from within Manager and eventually forget that I’m still logged in. So it *seems* like you’re logged in via the frontend (as a webuser).. The roadmap seems to have this flow sorted nicely, can’t wait.

It’s happened to me more times than I care to admin ("Dr. Freud -- line one"). But then, I’m easily confused.

Bob

QuickEdit is sadly so out of date its one of the first things I disable upon installation of MODx. I can’t tell you how many times I was logged in as manager, trying to debug something using MooTools, and QE was ultimately the cause of the issue. Maybe someone should take on getting QuickEdit up to speed, or allowing for enabling/disabling without logging out of Manager.