Quote from: ZAP at Dec 14, 2006, 03:50 PMAs far as I can tell (not being a French-speaker), he’s saying that he removed the MODxAPI and the problem still appeared. He insists that this is a bug in the code, and that he’s been patiently trying to explain that to the developers but to no avail. And he says that he’s made suggestions about improving the dbQuery function that he hopes will be implemented because it might help.And generally he says he’s sick of trying to deal with this and getting nowhere...Given that language and communication styles may be complicating factors here, perhaps we should all just take a deep breath and move on.
ZAP, you’re not entirely wrong, but some (very essential) nuances are lost on you.
Let me do some short translation to reflect what has been, in essence, said.
He says is he did remove the API but "he told us that it wouldn’t change a thing". Then in reply to my explaining that Jason’s humor was a way to tell him he was getting tiresome, he said it was "just as tiring for him to face developpers who are always too sure of their code and prone to blame it on the addons" (!!!). He continues by saying he is amazed that he has been able to put up as long as he did with this (supposed) behavior from the devs, that if Susan and Jason had bothered reading what he was writing, and check what the API addon was doing, they would realize since no page using the API was published it’s obvious this COULD NOT (I translate the capitals) be the source of the problem.
Then he goes on, saying he is tired of repeating himself, that he has indeed checked all that had to be checked (error pages, unauthorized pages’ id). He adds that additionnal checks have been added since RC3 implying that the system itself is programmed to be condescending (this part I am interpreting, if someone who speaks both language can verify my interpretation... Heliotrope ?).
His conclusion is he will only resume discussing the issue if the devs admit their code is at fault, that he has provided clear instructions to fix it, and that he has extensive professionnal experience in computer science, and reminds us that in his field he couldn’t afford to have "non operationnal code" and low availability.
Then he explains he has spent enough time and he won’t post in english, and asks me to translate his post if I care enough (my initial answer has been to ask him to do it himself, but since it’s hard for english user to comment, react or discuss what is being said there, I finally took the time to translate this : as I said, if Aour, Heliotrope or OncleBen or Laurent want to add nuances or give another interpretation of Piwaille’s post, I’d be glad - for the sake of avoiding misinterpretation - to have other pair of eyes here).
Let me finish by translating the part involving Ryan, so that every person which has been (IMHO wrongfully) "accused" can decide whatever answer they want to post. Piwaille says he has provided Ryan with instructions to make the db_query function more robust (subtly implying Ryan has not done what he should already have, here I am interpreting but I doubt I am wrong), stating that his improvements should - in his understanding - be added to 0.9.7 which even if MODx engine (litteral translation : makes no sense to me, also shows Piwaille is fairly wrong and does not know what PDO is and how it will radically change the dbAPI) would remain weak it would at least be better suited to the demands of his environement.
The final "bouquet" is really out of line if you want my opinion : He demands excuses and ask that the dev team looks where he has said the bug came from and confirmed to him that his documented analysis is accurate.
Now you know what has been said - or at least, my translation of it.
But I don’t think my english/french skills are at fault, nor my appreciation for nuances here... also, most people would agree I am a mediator rather than a prosecutor, but sometimes things go way beyond what is acceptable given the time, efforts, openness that this team has shown time and again.
I think the thread should be split from this part and on :
http://modxcms.com/forums/index.php/topic,9106.msg68987.html#msg68987
and moved into flame bait as appropriate.
(in french, "fatiguant")
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