We'll lets not forget that modx evo over the years has attracted a large group of designers with little coding skills. The team decided to stop developing evo. I don't know if you can call this simply change or being forced to revo, the cloud, wait for modx_3 or move on to another cms. (Leaving the evo forks out of this). There is a positive side on this and that is that thanks to the modx forum with many great posters we learned really a lot about driving a website with a cms. I wished I started learning php 10 years ago, it is the language for driving the web (no, not ruby despite it being more effective). For me the change I feel my self confronted with is not revo or another cms but the challenge to become a skilled php coder and do whatever you want with or without a cms.
Quote from: eric.swd at Feb 26, 2013, 12:22 PM
Interesting position. wink wink 
Sorry, I didn't mean to hijack the thread. I also programmed in BASIC on a commodore 64 (with a cold pack to keep it from overheating). I sure don't want to go back there, nostalgia or not.
I think the challenge for a platform like MODX is to make new versions so attractive that everyone wants to move to them. Revolution failed at this, IMO, because of (when compared to Evo) an unresponsive Manager and a frustrating permissions system. Had that not been the case, I think only a tiny handful of people would be hanging on to Evo. I think if MODX 3 can solve these two issues, many of the stragglers will come across.
I could be wrong.
Well said and to the point. With or without Evo there seems to be a huge gap of support between designers building sites and advanced developers doing the same. The team and big forums supporters almost all being advanced developers themselves favors 2 areas it seems. Getting new people rolling which helps MODX get recodnition and aiding PHP developers who are already fairly well versed in the language because being developers themselves it is what they love to do.
That being said the in between folks do seem to get left out quite a bit so there is a sort of desert valley to pass through to reach the other side. Some make it and some don't.
I wouldn't say they don't care about ones who fall in between or who are left behind in Evo, and I wouldn't expect anyone to help someone not willing to help themselves, but the system the way it's built definitely favors a more development, and specifically PHP, base of knowledge.
I think Ruby is still hanging in there and .net is moving forward in its own way. There is still alot of work out there for Ruby devs and there are some excellent very new CMS systems who have embraced .net. PHP seemed to become lord of the land because, really, it isn't all that hard but very powerful, because of the similarities to C which many of the PHP devs started with, and because a lot of network folks started using it for their server side script needs.
MODX...the Zen of CMS
"Bight off more than you can chew and keep right on chewing."
Sorry, I didn't mean to hijack the thread. I also programmed in BASIC on a commodore 64 (with a cold pack to keep it from overheating). I sure don't want to go back there, nostalgia or not.
;) No worries, tenacity pushed through.
I could be wrong.
You can't be wrong. It's your opinion and you're entitled to it.
MODX...the Zen of CMS
"Bight off more than you can chew and keep right on chewing."
PHP also was helped by the fact that .net was an abomination in its early incarnations and C needs to be compiled. I sometimes wonder what the landscape would look like if Java had been more successful or if Ajax has been baked into PHP from the beginning.
A programming platform that did a good job of letting people stop thinking about client-side versus server-side could easily rule the planet.
All good points Bob, Jay, and the rest. All taken into consideration. For me personally I have a lot left to learn and improve on to fully understand MODx. I fully appreciate it however, on track, and won't be deviating. I will still be me though
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MODX...the Zen of CMS
"Bight off more than you can chew and keep right on chewing."
Quote from: danilocuculic at Feb 27, 2013, 02:45 AMQuote from: BobRay at Feb 26, 2013, 05:56 PMA programming platform that did a good job of letting people stop thinking about client-side versus server-side could easily rule the planet.
Yeah, but hopefully NOT JavaScript flavored. 
Amen to that.
