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    So I have read through many forum posts and haven't found much on this. I figured I'd just start a new thread for it.

    My proposed concept/question is:

    If you have been using MODX for a while now and you've learned a lot, but have gotten closed minded to new possibilities, ie the cloud or revo if you're still using evo and other things in general, how do you clean the slate with your clients, and peers, so that you and they can embrace this positive change with an open mind? Fresh starts and new ways of doing things happen all the time but affecting this change in a way that these people really know you mean it can be a tough mountain to climb. I think by doing so one can better themselves and bring others up with them.

    There just seems to be a stigma surrounding some MODX users and a reluctance to embrace positive change. Of course we all get stuck in a rut from time to time and resist change, and sometimes for quite a while, but MODX thrives on positive energy and moving forward in technology and life. If you've had the opportunity to speak with any of the upper level MODX team you know this to be true.

    So this is more of a philosophy of technology meets lifestyle and attitude discussion. Please share your thoughts I would love to hear them.
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      Eric,

      This is an interesting topic. The reality is that change as a cost both financially and psychologically but it's inevitable and necessary as the world evolves around us. Resistance to change is human nature and as we get older, most people become more resistant to change, we develop habits that trick us into believing we have mastery.

      On people not moving from Evo to Revo. I don't view it as a failure to embrace change but for many there is no reason to change. They can rapidly build sites and clients are happy with the results and in the case of maintenance, it becomes harder to support across two platforms. Further, many don't view Evo is broken and therefore if it's working why change?

      Learning a new system may not be appealing and content management and web development have changed in scope and scale a lot in the last year. Customer needs and user needs are driving web developers into all sorts of new spaces with responsive web design or mobile first or metadata, microdata, open graph, UX, CXM and a host of other fields. This leaves web builders to have to choosing to focus their learning attention on the things that have the highest returns. They ask themselves, should I learn Revo or should I learn how to provide my clients with what they are asking for which is responsive and adaptive design.

      I am not making an argument against change. I love Revo and I tend to be on the front edge of tools. I like shiny and new so the payoff for me is learning new stuff as it comes makes me feel like a bit of a vanguard or pioneer but those who are on the latter side of the curve of adoption, are not wrongheaded but at the right stage for them.

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        Interesting thought Jay and thanks for sharing.

        Resistance to change is human nature and as we get older, most people become more resistant to change, we develop habits that trick us into believing we have mastery.

        I think most would agree as people get older they are resistant to change. Understandably so. Time on this planet is after all the greatest commodity we have and if we spend much of it in one particular area, changing gears and going in another direction would naturally stir up thoughts of why?, and I don't want to! I do not know if I would consider it self trickery however. Having confidence and attitude will get a person far in life. Of course that has to be backed by a hunger to learn and be good at what you do as well, not an embrace for complacency. I tend to lean towards "jack of all trades, master of none" - or renaissance as a lifestyle preference and am leery of anyone calling themselves a "master" of anything, speaking of self trickery and mastery. This thinking can be treacherous and leads to stagnation as well because for anyone to consider themselves a "master" at something means they feel they have nothing left to learn, no better way to be. So I would say those that stay hungry in turn are more likely to embrace change, no matter what age or stage in life they are at. Not that this is necessarily a better life philosophy, each person needs to do what works best for them and not be swayed by all the neigh sayers along the way that one will encounter no matter what path chosen, and further just challenge ourselves to not be closed minded or aversive to those who do not choose the same path.

        I am not making an argument against change. I love Revo and I tend to be on the front edge of tools. I like shiny and new so the payoff for me is learning new stuff as it comes makes me feel like a bit of a vanguard or pioneer but those who are on the latter side of the curve of adoption, are not wrongheaded but at the right stage for them.

        I think the payoff for anyone just being introduced to MODX, or the CMS world in general, would be learning what is coming of age, not what most likely will be depreciated in a number of years. Making a smart and well read/informed decision does definitely give one a certain sense of pride and excitement that may be seen as smugness by those who don't know the amount of thought and care that went into making said decision. Many just grab the first opportunity that comes their way and lock onto it. Some of those get lucky, many don't. Some will cling to old tech for many many years to come. In 10 years I bet there are still a few die hards using Evo. Hell probably 20. That is fine and I totally understand "if it's not broke, don't fix" mentality. However you have to admit there seems to be a much bigger stigma going on there, a sort of clicky cult-like loyalty, which while is fun and entertaining doesn't really equate much substance beyond that. Many spend a lot of time continuing to write, and support, and further develop the old tech while, if we're considering time, they actuality could spend some of that same time letting go a bit and embracing the new. On the flip side those embracing the new could at some point visit the old tech to appreciate where it came from, but where as the former gain a value that will help them and their business the value the later gains is more of just a deeper understanding of the tech and would carry some street cred to the old gurus but not much else. Of course there will always be those who say "I remember when" or "I was there when", shit I remember black and white TVs, having 3 channels, the internet as a series of BBS systems, and a Commodore 64 in the basement. Although 3 channels actually sounds nice and playing around again on the old Commodore sounds fun it is really just nostalgia and would have no benefit beyond that.
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          Great conversation. I am looking forward to the video being released for Susan's session in Utrecht: http://modxpo.eu/schedule/sessions/evolution-to-revolution If Susan made the transition from Evo to Revo … wink
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            I just spent the whole day tutoring a part-time student co-worker who is working with me on porting a really huge (18,000 resources), ancient nasty Evo site to Revo - you know the one I mean, Ryan wink. Already she is much preferring how Revo works. I showed her how to drag-and-drop a resource into a text field in a TV to automatically get the make url tag inserted. "I just love Revo!" she exclaimed. Now if only static resources recognized media sources...
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              Pretty off topic but thanks for sharing smiley

              If Susan made the transition from Evo to Revo

              That means either the campaign was successful, or that no matter how old we are we can be swayed to learn new things. After all age is just a state of mind.

              ancient nasty Evo site to Revo - you know the one I mean, Ryan .

              This brings up some interesting points. In reality it's a reflection of you and the society that fostered it, and continues to. If it's nasty then so aren't we all. I would bridge this into some thoughts on all of all the mass murders taking place in the US currently and for the past several years. After a horrible incident people look with anger upon each other and say, "wow! that is crazy! why is this happening!?" or "guns are the problem" or "there needs to be background checks for these crazies!" All missing the point and the real problem. It's our fault. Everyone's. Kids today grow up in a society who embraces bullying, doing bad and illegal acts "in the name of good", and glorifies mini dictatorships like the mafia and street gangs as being something admirable. So of course you are going to get those pushed too far. The solution is simple. We all have to take responsibility for our part in creating a society where kids are shooting kids and people solve their problems with weapons, harassment, and ego instead of good old fashion conversation and more importantly manning up and dealing directly, in person, face to face with someone you have a problem with. We've become a society of cowards and while it is plainly horrific that these type of incidents happen we also shouldn't be surprised when we get what we were asking for and helped to create. Creating the situation is easy, hate is the easy path. You don't have to ask any hard questions when you fill the void of not understanding something with hate. All you have to do is look at a racist group like the KKK to understand how this happens in a group environment. Espeically groups that think of themselves as divine, or above others looking down. Doing something real to make it better and help one another is the harder path. And not just helping one another when it is convenient, but when it's the hardest. Because that's when it really counts. When people do truly good things for each other, especially for someone in need, it changes people. And for the better. There's a good chance that the person you help to turn the corner back onto the right path will hold that in their heart and in turn do the same for another, and another. In turn if we do bad things to each other, especially when someone is in need, then we change the world for the worse and the same chain is linked to the failure of society. We don't break that person, we break our own society, personal character, and internal moral compass.

              I showed her how to drag-and-drop a resource into a text field in a TV to automatically get the make url tag inserted. "I just love Revo!" she exclaimed.

              Are you sure that wasn't a drop-and-drag function, that's what it always seemed to me. wink [ed. note: eric.swd last edited this post 13 years, 7 months ago.]
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                Quote from: rethrash at Feb 26, 2013, 08:22 AM
                Great conversation. I am looking forward to the video being released for Susan's session in Utrecht: http://modxpo.eu/schedule/sessions/evolution-to-revolution If Susan made the transition from Evo to Revo … wink

                Me too. wink

                It's been quite a long time and I was beginning to wonder if my second session (on MyComponent) and Susan's second session will ever see the light of day. wink
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                  It's been quite a long time and I was beginning to wonder if my second session (on MyComponent) and Susan's second session will ever see the light of day.

                  Interesting position. wink wink grin
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                    Quote from: BobRay at Feb 26, 2013, 12:10 PM
                    It's been quite a long time and I was beginning to wonder if my second session (on MyComponent) and Susan's second session will ever see the light of day. wink

                    I can't wait for them to be released personally. I think the video company didn't realize what they got themselves into!
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                      I can't wait for them to be released personally. I think the video company didn't realize what they got themselves into!

                      Now we're getting somewhere. Tell us more! laugh
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