- very useful link indeed in terms of showing activity - also EXTREMELY well buried (in the sense that itâ€™s the 9th link down on the last menu item across the top of the page - I know technically thereâ€™s only two clicks to get there before someone points that out
). Should be on the homepage perhaps in a more condensed form?
All Iâ€™ve been trying to say is that if you canâ€™t find things like this in obvious places, itâ€™ll turn a lot of people away. People looking for a CMS arenâ€™t going to click through pages to find things that are on many sitesâ€™ homepages to find out stuff like that. Businesses will be looking to adopt a CMS thatâ€™s up-to-date, and I know from my experience that business-people can get twitchy when they see things like "2008-12-23" as the date the latest version was released - which is fair enough - but then not see an obvious link to news updates on the homepage. Iâ€™ve had a few people ask me if itâ€™s even being updated any more because itâ€™s not immediately obvious and business-people often have little time to check things out in this level of detail (of course Iâ€™ve talked them round and itâ€™s in use across a dozen sites that Iâ€™ve built). That page you linked to above is gold dust in terms of showing whatâ€™s going on and Iâ€™d not even seen it before!
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I get that - Iâ€™ve been here a while and even contributed a forum bridge thatâ€™s sorely in need of an update
Seems to be a bit of defensiveness around here when people make occasionally-blunt suggestions (forum posts, as with SMS messages, lose all emotion in translation sadly, so imagine an encouraging tone rather than a blunt one to my posts
). All Iâ€™m trying to do is comment on what might get more NEW people to check out MODx which would then hopefully turn into more contributors for you. If I had a team of web guys working for me Iâ€™d happily donate resources and time, and if I had a few beans to scrape together right at the moment Iâ€™d donate money, but both are sadly lacking at present.
Snarkiness aside, in this community, things get done faster when you contribute. If youâ€™ve not contributed, the core team is less likely to move on your suggestions. Why? Because, well, this is a community - not a consumer market. If youâ€™d like to see more done to the MODx.Browser implementation in Revo, then I recommend posting that in JIRA, visiting and posting in the MODx Next forum, checking out the latest SVN for Revo, and getting to know the community.
Iâ€™ve got plenty of little things to contribute, as well as bigger things like an IPB forum bridge which is 95% done for IPB 2.3.6, however as with you guys time is precious and currently I have extremely little to spare, otherwise I would love to post up everything Iâ€™ve done on MODx in the past few years.
Also this part of your quote doesnâ€™t come across well - "If youâ€™ve not contributed, the core team is less likely to move on your suggestions". So... that reads as "if youâ€™re an end-user and have feedback on our product in terms of usability, but arenâ€™t a coder or other form of contributor contributing to the project then we wonâ€™t take your suggestions as seriously" for that particular situation. Again, a bit blunt there (sorry), but giving preference to the people who know how to use the software already isnâ€™t necessarily going to evolve it into something that everyone can stand a chance of adopting. Getting opinions from the wiser audience in terms of questionnaires and polls (plenty of free survey systems out there) could gain valuable information as well as useful suggestions you might not have thought of!
Again, I know itâ€™s community-driven, but the community isnâ€™t "visible" on the homepage (again, I get that thereâ€™s a link - you know what I mean). You have to dig around to see activity or come to the forums to make suggestions when there could be polling happening on the homepage for example (I realise of course that by now my version of the homepage would have everything under the sun on it
Going to those links you provided (cheers for that), not everyone is going to look at Jira, because it wonâ€™t make much sense to non-technical people, same with SVN like I said earlier - much of the user-base for MODx know the basics to install the software, tweak the templates a bit and write some content - not everyoneâ€™s a developer. The other links were useful though, thanks.
The impresion I sometimes get viewing these forums is something along the lines of "if youâ€™ve used it, youâ€™ll understand why itâ€™s the best" (and at present it is the best without a doubt for my complex needs), but thatâ€™s the stumbling block - there could be more
people testing and adopting it if the homepage had a little more action on it. I know itâ€™s had x-hundred-thousand-or-more downloads as well so isnâ€™t exactly unpopular, but whatâ€™s the harm in doubling or tripling that in half the time eh?
Think this might be better off split off from this topic now - slightly OT