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    Yeah I know people are afraid of their computer (or, more particularly, breaking anything in that strange black box). I did not have a repair lab, but I did fix about 30 computers last year : friends, family... I am used to tear them apart down to the last screw...

    Yet, this IE thing could become a full time consultancy of sorts ! I mean I evaluate IE’s lost time to roughly 25% overtime (not really paid for that...). It’s uninterresting, the client hardly understand why it should not work with IE (and doesn’t care about other browsers...). Damn frustrating... Maybe, 5 years from now... who knows ?
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      Also, although we can all choose what browser we have on our own machines, if we need to make a change from a McDonald’s internet kiosk or a hotel facility, or many internet cafes, we’ll be faced with IE.

      But we’ve gotten sidetracked. Neither of the "errors" posted are really errors - they’re just warnings. More people will notice the extra feature in IE than the "imperfect" CSS.
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        Sorry .. didn’t mean to start a religious war on browsers... shocked

        All I needed to know was that there is a known reason for these CSS warnings, and that I should not be concerned with documenting and/or reporting them...

        I’m just a new user who is very impressed with MODx and would like to do all I can to help the project...

        All the best

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        (Who uses Firefox 2 on Mac OS X.)

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          That’s commendable. Thank you for your time. If you wish to report issues with the new version - 0.9.5 - then you are quite right to ask first before adding them to the Bug tracker. But in general, CSS warnings in the Manager are very low priority; sometimes to get things to work with existing browsers, these things have to happen.

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            I think it was Kevin Lee at Sitepoint had a very interesting blog article on browsers and the new IE.

            I’ve just recently switched to using FF primarily, but I would never count IE out. Keep in mind browsers are free, but I do believe any day that MS wants to make IE a priority, they at least have the capital to run circles around everyone else. I don’t necessarily agree, but I have a feeling that the thought has been "why fix it if the majority of people don’t know it’s broke."

            While FF may be better and more stable, there are certainly some quirks and frustrations here and there as well and they owe much of their acclaim to IE’s disdain. If FF ever achieves a near even split or the type of use of IE, I wouldn’t be surprised to see just as many security issues there as well. So far, I’m sure it just hasn’t been a big enough piece of the pie for hackers to warrant the devoting resources to when IE commands such a large share of the market. Given the same conditions, why rob a bank if you can rob a depository!

            In some ways though, I feel a little sorry for the Opera folks. I understand that Opera has a greater following internationally than it does in the States, though even FF has probably taken some of that focus as well, and it sounds like they’ve made some huge inroads to the mobile market. Seems like a lot of the things people have commended FF for, Opera had long before.

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              Quote from: sottwell at Nov 08, 2006, 02:08 PM

              So true. IE is definitely here to stay, and must be dealt with.
              Someone told the same of many useless and stupid programs, but they died in their short vision.
              It’s only a matter of time. IE will be fixed or will die trying to be the same virus-door-that-can’t-read-the-web.
              The only other option is to make it opensource grin

              Quote from: sottwell at Nov 08, 2006, 03:19 PM

              David, I had a computer repair lab for three years. People are incredibly ignorant, and are actually afraid of their computers and terrified of doing anything "different" with them. Microsoft has made a fortune taking advantage of that fact.
              I’ve built, sold, repaired, adviced computers for 6 years. More than 50,000 pcs. And I agree with you: people are ignorant and scared of computers.
              But take 5 minutes to explain to someone that Firefox or Opera aren’t a door to your pc open in Internet, install it for them and delete that monstrous blue "e" from their desktop. They will not come back.
              Obviously you can’t expect someone searches for "Firefox", download it, installs it and use it if he/she’s not a computer lover.

              Quote from: PaulGregory at Nov 08, 2006, 05:15 PM

              Also, although we can all choose what browser we have on our own machines, if we need to make a change from a McDonald’s internet kiosk or a hotel facility, or many internet cafes, we’ll be faced with IE.
              Ok. You take the point. This is true, but we can always serve a simple version (no fancies) version of the manager for emergencies, no?
              Because to use IE is an emergency smiley

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                Quote from: PaulGregory at Nov 08, 2006, 05:45 PM

                Welcome to MODx!

                Thanks.. should I be working with 0.9.5 rather than 0.9.2.2?

                It is a low-priority personal site with no particular deadlines, so I have no pressing need to remain with 0.9.2 if 0.9.5 is almost ready to go.. But if it is still difficult to use, then I’ll stick with 0.9.2.

                Cheers

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                  I’m using the 0.9.5 and updating from svn every few days on both my personal sites, as well as for all new development sites. The only "issues" with it now are minor display issues in the CSS for the Manager, and similar small details being worked out. It is much nicer than the 0.9.2.2. I won’t update any live 0.9.2.2 sites until it’s final, though.
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                    Quote from: sottwell at Nov 08, 2006, 10:30 PM

                    I’m using the 0.9.5 and updating from svn every few days on both my personal sites, as well as for all new development sites. The only "issues" with it now are minor display issues in the CSS for the Manager, and similar

                    What is the procedure for "updating from svn"? Does it involve re-entering lots of chunks/snippets and so on...

                    I just did the patch from 0.9.2.1 to 0.9.2.2 and not knowing any better way, ended up manually copying each of the files (located in deeply nested directories) to overwrite their corresponding older versions.. took quite a while and seemed like it should be unnecessary with the right tool..



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                      I’m careful to always rename any snippets or default templates that I modify. That way I can just upload the entire "manager" folder, and the entire "assets" folder without worrying about losing anything. It will only overwrite existing files with the new ones, so all existing files that I made that don’t exist in the upgrade aren’t bothered. Then I just upload the "install" folder (and the main index.php file) and run the installer... and usually clear all the checkboxes except for TinyMCE and QuickEdit. Then I log in, save the Site Configuration, and clear the cache. So far, in all this time with all the sites I’ve upgraded, I’ve never had a problem.
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