Is MODx Evolution Dead ?

Quote from: mrhaw at Nov 11, 2010, 09:34 AM

EVO is an ipod touch
REVO is an iphone.

I love my ipod touch!

Mr. Haw,
Great metaphor... nice contrast to my verbose thought!

Bob,
I’ll jump in on that. Warning... Snarky Alert! What my cohorts see when they log in is.... "nothing"! Let’s see, you see this thing called, er, "Resources". OK, that’s totally generic, wonder what that means, should I care? And yes, you can click on that TEENY little arrow to expand, but you just have to know! Above that are all these cute little icons, wonder what they’re for, no words there. Yeah, you can hover over ’em, but still. One positive note - at least when you click on a document, er, resource, it goes into edit mode, at least if it’s a Document, er, uh, Resource?

Gee, I kinda know what "Files" are, but what are "Elements"? Maybe potassium, or sodium? btw, the "Categories" listed under "Elements"... really super weird way of handling those, which I figured out after scratching my head for awhile. I guess that’s living and dying by Ajax.

And yes, I know "Resources" and "Elements" have been with us for awhile. It reminds me of corporate meetings, where everyone has to agree on terminology, so it finally gets watered down into something very imprecise, even if it’s correct in a literal sense. At least it’s less geeky than "Nodes" in Drupal. And it’s actually pretty OK, but again, you just "have to know". [Chris Rock voice for that]

The "suspended in position" Save buttons seems nice, until you’re editing a very long page, and you can’t seem to find the Save button anywhere.

Let’s say you just want to change the name of your site, or change which page is "Home". Hmmmmm... I know it’s somewhere in there. And when you’re in the System Settings, you have to know to right-click, or you’re dead. Oh, and I torched my whole test site by just trying to remove ".html" from the FURL suffix - instead I deleted an absolutely required Content Type, and could not re-enter it! (I had to manually edit the database)

/End of Snark. Sorry about that! To someone who built the system, or someone like me who has played with it for a LONG time, it’s pretty nice, and fairly easy. But I’m trying to convey what a neophyte sees, hopefully with a touch of humor. There are also reams of good things about Revo.

Cheers

@samba
I was about to reply to your comment and just seen that:

...someone like me who has played with it for a LONG time, it’s pretty nice, and fairly easy. But I’m trying to convey what a neophyte sees...

And i kinda agree.

Howeber, like Bob said, i don’t allow clients to mess with, i prefer custom FE page or FE editing. Admin (even more with Revo) is only for a minimum tech savvy people. And even them, i tend to not let them play with system setting.

Evolution is here for a looooong time.
The team said it numerous time. I bet that they didn’t change their point of views event though Revo have all light on him (personification, yeah...).

New born require lots of attention and milk at first, Evo is a grown up that can live (almost) by itself.

Snarkyness aside (and yes I agree, it is not as intuitive as it should be for those without existing web standards knowledge), if you look at the nomenclature from the point of web standards terminology, a Web "Resource" in MODx is a representation of something that is accessed via a URL, or Universal "Resource" Locator. It’s not that much of a stretch in my view.

Now, an "Element" of Content, though certainly more esoteric a term than a "file", is simply any reusable "Element"-or building-block, or piece-of some type of content.

As for the Categories, I think it might just need better separation in the UI, so you know you are coming from either I direct view by type of Element vs. a combined view of all Elements by Category.

I started MODx with Revo but because of there are not many tutorials about it, I had to try Evo. I guess when I master Evo a little more I’ll give Revo a try.

The names are something you learn and get used to,
and once form customization gets excellent (I hope it gets
better that ManagerManager) we would be able to change
everything...

it is like when learning OOP, they use properties and methods,
and to explain and teach them they say: properties are variables and
methods are functions... well why didn’t they use variables and functions
in the first place? because is just nomenclature and you/we will learn
them and keep going...

by the way... you can use Revolutions just as if it was Evolutions
right now. The extras are the only thing stopping you from having the
same, exact Experience.

Quote from: mrhaw at Nov 11, 2010, 09:34 AM

EVO is an ipod touch
REVO is an iphone.

I love my ipod touch!

Nice! For me, however:

Evolution is a Lamborghini Gallardo
Revolution is a Gulfstream G650

I guess I can’t make up my mind
http://modxcms.com/forums/index.php/topic,53479.msg309360.html#msg309360
http://modxcms.com/forums/index.php/topic,53102.msg307602.html#msg307602
Quote from: http://4up2date.info/modx-revolution.html

...As a parable - I use both desktop and browser based apps. REVO would represent an IDE and EVO - TinyMCE.

I really love Evolution so I’ll stick to it for now. I am a designer and I find it easier to use.
I would like to see improvements in handling permissions, private area management, e-commerce and blog features. Apart from these features (which btw are already fairly good) Evolution rulez.

I’ll wait till Revolution is more mature to try it out. Anyway permissions are really too difficult to understand, I’ve heard that the team is working on that so let’s see!

I believe I will be using Evolution for a long time. As a designer, I have no comprehension of what’s under the hood. My judgment of my Revo installation (which I scrapped for Evolution,) is based on a miserable experience. It did not help that I was working on a rush deadline for my client.

There are bugs in the UI that I cannot overcome... action buttons that render off screen and manager text boxes that render off the right side of the screen.

It is unpleasant to have to wait for the transition animations to redraw for each screen.

I believe that QuickManager should never have replaced QuickEdit. Not having an "Edit" button inline/in-context with each TV is not acceptable for me. I will not move ahead to Revolution until I find a similar solution.

Functionality does not always need to "ding" and "whistle".

MODx is amazing and the Developer Team has proven themselves many times over. I am thankful to all of them and for each community developer that has made my life so much easier.

I do not understand the need for Revolution, I do not understand what was broken in Evo that is fixed by Revo. But I have confidence in the developers...

So, one day I will make the switch and prob’ly be more smug than Deputy Barney Fife.

(exaggerated one nostril sniff...) "ee-Yealt..... e-e-e-Yep.... I knew right off this Revolution thing was just too sophisticated for the likes of the untrained, ordinary, run-of-the-mill citizen... But for a keen, well trained, natural-born professional, like myself, it was a cinch to detect early on that it was the only way for me..." (another one nostril sniff with hands hanging by thumbs from my empty gun belt.)

Quote from: ctusa at Nov 11, 2010, 11:09 PM

I believe that QuickManager should never have replaced QuickEdit. Not having an "Edit" button inline/in-context with each TV is not acceptable for me.

Off-topic:

Inline edit buttons have been a standard feature for QuickManager+ for some time now. Many people just don’t seem to be aware of them.
- Download the latest QM+ version: http://modxcms.com/extras/package/541
- Read the docs, Inline template variable buttons: http://www.maagit.fi/assets/rte/files/modx/qm-plus-153/readme.html