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    Quote from: rthrash at Apr 28, 2009, 01:14 PM

    "ajax cms" and "seo cms" drives search traffic. For people looking for those solutions it’s actually important to be able to be found.

    No doubt about it but for both SEO purposes and clarity it might be better to move them out of that sentence. e.g.:

    MODx is free, fast, and flexible
    blah, blah, blah . . .

    MODx is a powerful yet easy-to-use ajax CMS
    blah, blah, blah . . .

    MODx is the SEO CMS you’ve dreamed about
    blah, blah, blah . . .
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        Quote from: rthrash at Apr 28, 2009, 01:14 PM

        "ajax cms" and "seo cms" drives search traffic. For people looking for those solutions it’s actually important to be able to be found.

        Well, yes, I am sure they do. Again, it is not directly related to structuring the leading sentence on the homepage like that (and other word pornage on the site). I checked my various keyword volume tools, and I am sure "ajax cms" and "seo cms" do send a nice flow of traffic here. I am not against using these terms smattered throughout web copy, and as anchor text pointing to the pages you want to rank - that is not really the issue I raised though. buzzy sentences with multiple (5!) adjectives is not the same thing as SEO, not by a long shot.

        Anyway, no point in beating this to death...  wink
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          Quote from: towerofbabel at Apr 28, 2009, 11:06 PM

          Well, yes, I am sure they do. Again, it is not directly related to structuring the leading sentence on the homepage like that (and other word pornage on the site). I checked my various keyword volume tools, and I am sure "ajax cms" and "seo cms" do send a nice flow of traffic here. I am not against using these terms smattered throughout web copy, and as anchor text pointing to the pages you want to rank - that is not really the issue I raised though. buzzy sentences with multiple (5!) adjectives is not the same thing as SEO, not by a long shot.
          I have to agree, towerofbabel. It’s just bad grammar, and not in any rad emergent hipster viral post-modern marketing lingo way that might attract the cool kids.

          But how about some alternate sentence structuring to keep those keywords in that key position on the page? For instance, modx is redundant in the answer to the question "what is modx?", so why not get rid of that, add PHP, and move "ajax and seo" to the end...
          a free, fast, and flexible PHP content
          management system featuring ajax and seo.
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            Quote from: OpenGeek at Apr 29, 2009, 01:10 AM

            I have to agree, towerofbabel. It’s just bad grammar, and not in any rad emergent hipster viral post-modern marketing lingo way that might attract the cool kids.

            But how about some alternate sentence structuring to keep those keywords in that key position on the page? For instance, modx is redundant in the answer to the question "what is modx?", so why not get rid of that, add PHP, and move "ajax and seo" to the end...
            a free, fast, and flexible PHP content
            management system featuring ajax and seo.

            Well, that is definitely getting better. We should start with some facts, before getting to the actual copy:

            • Modx is a php(-based) content management system.
            • Modx features an ajax manager interface.
            • Modx is very SEO-friendly (easily prevent CMS-generated dup. content, easily enable se-friendly URL structures, full control of html markup with easy templating system, full control over dynamically generated anchor text [Wayfinder and Ditto],).
            • Modx is free.
            • Modx is flexible.
            • Modx is fast.
            • Modx is open source.

            How to express that in a sentence? I say don’t smiley.

            I’d use a main heading, and sub headings in that content area. If you still wrap the phrases up in H elements, then all is good. Repeat them in a logical manner in the <p> content, use <strong> on key phrases or variations of the phrase (e.g., <strong>CMS for SEO</strong>).

            Also, if traffic via search engines is the issue, let’s go after some bigger traffic smiley.

            Let’s look at the actual traffic data from search, as indicated by the Google Keyword Tool:

            "Free CMS" - 12,000 EXACT searches/month
            "open source cms" - 15,000 EXACT searches/month
            "php cms" - 9,900 EXACT searches/month
            "ajax cms" - 1,900 EXACT searches/month
            "seo cms" - 1,300 EXACT searches/month

            I hope you get the idea here - for instance, "php cms" is significantly more "profitable" than "seo cms"; "free cms" and "open source cms" are the real jewels. I also tried all of these searches with the full "content management system", but there is nothing there worth reporting. That phrase could just be used in the copy of the page, or even somewhere in the <title> AFTER "CMS" is used. For example, a page called free-cms.html could have a title like this :
            <title>Free CMS | Open Source Content Management System</title> and target both "free" and "open source" on the same page, as an example.

            back to topic....


            I’d break up that lead sentence to align more closely with actual search behavior (free, open source, and php are more searched, CMS is more widely used instead of content management system), and to read much better.

            <h1>[modx is] a free [and open source] CMS that makes managing content a breeze</h1>

            Text inside [..] is optional. I have also moved away from "keyword thinking" to say "makes managing content a breeze" - we are talking to humans and want to make them react - traffic means nothing if the content doesn’t solve the searcher’s "problem".

            Other headings could target other profitable terms, and be aligned logically:
            <h2>Ajax and PHP CMS</h2>
            blah blah blah
            <h2>Your First SEO CMS</h2>
            blah blah blah
            <h2>Open Source Content Management</h2>
            blah blah blah


            This is not a blueprint for action, but I think you get the idea.