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    Quote from: therebechips at Dec 17, 2008, 09:41 AM
    I did a bunch of tests a few years ago and came to the conclusion that anything under global 1em = 12px (ie setting the body tag to .75em) will lead to rounding errors in the pixel size of type, meaning that for certain sizes there is a pixel difference in the rendering between Mac and PC . Of course that wasn’t with the latest generation of browsers so things may have changed.
    That might explain why I had to do some text-size tweaking between mac and IE (seemed OK in the others but I will check again) with the smaller text sizes. This is interesting to consider, thanks for the tip.
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      Hey guys, just wanted to say thanks for mentioning BlueTrip (especially to ER...you’re BT’s top promoter smiley)

      To return the favor I guess I’ll have to try out MODx!
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        @Mike, thx for stopping by   smiley ...and do try MODx by all means...you’ll love it!  grin

        I have another question to you who use frameworks. How do you deal with the CSS code that you don’t use? Do you comment them out in the CSS or just delete them? Some people argue that if you spend time deleting these code, you might as well spend that time writing your own CSS!

        I haven’t had time yet to play with any of the frameworks...maybe some time next year.

        cheers/k
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          Try the Firefox addon: "Dust-me Selectors"

          maybe not exactly what you are looking for, but it help... I think...
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            Quote from: charliez at Dec 19, 2008, 09:35 AM

            Try the Firefox addon: "Dust-me Selectors"

            maybe not exactly what you are looking for, but it help... I think...

            @charliez, thx! This addon I’d never heard of... grin
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              Quote from: kongondo at Dec 19, 2008, 09:55 AM

              Quote from: charliez at Dec 19, 2008, 09:35 AM

              Try the Firefox addon: "Dust-me Selectors"

              maybe not exactly what you are looking for, but it help... I think...

              @charliez, thx! This addon I’d never heard of... grin
              Double thanks! I used to use this add-on with Firefox 2, but I waited quite a while after updating to 3 and finally removed it because it seemed as if it was a dead project. Great to see that I was wrong.
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                Fwiw, we just finished building World Industries using 960.gs and it was interesting. Like Ryan mentioned earlier, it’s great because it _only_ does layout, it’s super lightweight, and it’s easily extensible.

                On the other hand, after having built quite a large site with it, I certainly sympathize with the arguments against using a layout framework on the grounds of semantic HTML concerns. (And on that note, we structured the CSS _very_ non-semantically for this site mostly because we were in that mode of thought from doing the layout with 960.gs.)

                On the other hand, it does make many things _very_ fast and easy, and realistically, if the client ever plans on redesigning the site, they’re going to hire a web development company to restructure the HTML, add functionality, and of course recreate the CSS.

                The thing I really liked about 960.gs, though, and what makes me confident I’ll use it again, is that it’s just SO lightweight, and is VERY easy to modify. For example, having the columns use margins for the gutters instead of padding makes backgrounds awkward in some cases, so we added a .grid_padding class that sets the right/left margins to 0 and right/left padding to 10px. Not rocket science, but we certainly didn’t feel constrained or trapped at all. If the grid doesn’t work, break out of it. No problems.

                What I may play around with for the next site we use 960.gs on is not using the .grid_XX class names, but instead using semantic class names and then adding those class names to the .grid_XX declarations in the 960.css. Not sure I really care that much, but it’d "feel" better, would keep layout fast and easy without feeling so dirty wink
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                  Up to now nobody in this discussion referred to the YAML framework (http://www.yaml.de/en/home.html) mentioned in the original question. My experience using YAML on sites managed by MODx is very positive. Because of the name YAML you may think you could just create multicolumn layouts - but using the subtemplates technique you are able to realize nearly any desired grid. There is a very well done documentation (http://www.yaml.de/en/documentation.html) which lets you understand every single detail. Give it a try!
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                    The more I have been dealing with a typography style sheet the more I hate it. That is the one draw back to BlueTrip. I am guessing that they will eventually isolate the grid from the typography. I may go with 960 for my next project simply because it is ’just a grid’.

                    @The Man Can!: Nice site. BTW, you are missing a closing " after javascript in this line..
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                      This site was built with BlueTrip, it certainly feels "rapid" enough for layout:
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