quickedit

You don’t name it #sidebar, just "sidebar"

Adding the hash behind the opening asterisk in your template causes it to generate a quickedit link on the front end when logged into the manager.

you are a legend

Cheers for sorting that for me rthrash.. really really appreciate it.. I just have one more question. To login to the front of the site does the user have to go to always go the main manager login. Is it possible to stick a frontend login on the home page? I don’t really want the user to go near the manager unless they are creating a new page. i just want them to edit everything from the front of the site. Cheers

there is a manager login snippet here on forums what you can use in frontend to do the backend login.. but if the user then goes to /manager, he can access it normally.