Evo or Revo?

@randall : Thanks for expanding. Great to hear your experience.

@microcipcip : Great suggestion. The Evo caching system is a good point. I remember reading that as being one of Evo's apparent weaknesses along with the 5000 page limit although I have never built a site that big so never ran into that issue. I agree, MM is really efficient and so easy to use - and Evo is great to configure and move.

@virtualbear : Fantastic input. Thanks for the detail. I loved reading the good sides of both. I agree re Evo and speed, it certainly has been my experience too. Speed of building / completing projects is important for me too and one of the main reasons I love Evo. That has a lot to do with me being comfortable with Evo, having used it many times and being a designer, not a coder.

I'd like to make sure that future client sites I build are built with a CMS that is still supported and still relevant. I am a bit nervous to keep using Evo if it is going to be left behind within the next couple of years.

Is there any official word on the longevity of / future support of Evo from the MODx team? Are we nearing the end of the Evo era?

Isn't this like saying Windows XP or Windows 7?

Not to take anything away from all the hard work and the evolution that is now Revolution but if you're just coming into MODX why would you even bother with Evo? Maybe if you've been using it since inception and hate change? Don't really see why anyone would implement new installs of Evo at all.

Just my 2cents

Many of us prefer the simplicity and lighter footprint of Evo. Personally I'm no fan of OOP at all. And yes, I am quite familiar with it, I learned C++ years ago, also worked with Java. But that's my personal opinion, the person who started the movement to revitalize Evo is a Smalltalk programmer. I really think it's more like a VI vs Emacs situation. To each his own. There is no intention on my part to denigrate Revo, I think it's a seriously intelligent, if not genius, piece of programming. I just think it's inappropriate for resource-light shared web server environments.

As far as Windows goes, I am a Mac user.

Quote from: whitesphynx at Mar 26, 2012, 07:11 AM

Isn't this like saying Windows XP or Windows 7?

Not to take anything away from all the hard work and the evolution that is now Revolution but if you're just coming into MODX why would you even bother with Evo? Maybe if you've been using it since inception and hate change? Don't really see why anyone would implement new installs of Evo at all.

Just my 2cents

I disagree, that's not the right comparision IMHO. Windows 7 runs faster than Windows XP, no question about that, yet I can open the manager of Evolution online faster than the manager of Revolution in my local machine.

I choose Evolution for this reason, performance. I have tried both systems for quite some time and I must say I really like the new features of Revolution, there have been huge improvements in the latest version, 2.2.0. I like MIGX, the possibility to do autobackup easily, the flexibility of user permissions, the ability to personalize the media files tree for each user.

If the performance will improve in the future I'll probably move to Revolution, till then, I choose Evolution.

For new users, I would advise them to try both systems and choose the one they like.

I guess my only comparison there was a matter of dated technology. Should I have said commodore 64 vs hmmm, not sure what the alternative there would be

I hanven't tried Evo and I guess I need to.

@Softwell-I use mac and pc. I didn't mean to stir up a MS vs Apple debate
I'm not really a fan boy or bias towards either Evo or Revo, or MS vs Apple. I use whatever tech works best for my needs and I see the place for both windows and mac or even Linux as it were. So I can understand if it works better for your application then run with it.

I just see Revo as the new way of doing things and it seems much more robust. I can understand if you're used to something change comes harder. Hell some people would probably still run a Voodoo graphics card and the original AMD processors if they could. Don't forget how much faster SIMMS tech was for memory too.

If we're talking a mere couple seconds of load time vs getting all the benefits that the Revo interface offers I guess I personally would go for features over a slight increase in performance. Almost no shared servers are using Linux Cloud either. Which is the new modern OS built specifically for the shared hosting environment. And at least they advertise that no other OS has been built with those in mind prior. So some of performance would come down to what shared host you pick as well.

Ok, I get your point, although I don't understand how can you make a claim or comparison without first trying MODX Evolution yourself.

Anyway, I don't hate changes, I endorse them. I have used MODX Revolution since the first release, and made websites with it. I prefer MODX Evolution, but again, that's my opinion, anyone can test both systems and choose the one they like.

Didn't mean to sound presumptuous there. I've been in the field for around 3 years. There's so much new tech to grasp I can't see taking the time learn the old, unless I really needed it. Maybe in the future if there is a break in the weather I'll give it a go and see where Revo rooted from.

I understand if you know Evo back to front why try and reinvent the wheel too. My opinion is based on coming into MODX last year. Whatever works for you, use it!

If revo is so different than evo it should have been forked out and called something else like ModMacaroni or Modfxtoid or PlutoCMS or something. lol
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It was originally supposed to be called Tattoo. "Make your mark on the web." It's not really a fork, it's a complete re-write. More like the relationship between Macintosh and Windows. Sorta looks and acts in a similar way, but with different innards.

I've searched back through this thread but wondered what the current state of play is regarding the takeup of Revolution vs. the pervasiveness and accessibility of Evolution.

I'm pretty familiar with the arguments for/against each, and not so much interested in the architectural differences than I am in the end-product from a website manager / developer's point of view.

Specifically the documentation for the core of ModX *and* the range of modules and plugins, I find Evolution is absolutely superb because of the excellent resources online (from the likes of Bob Ray and Susan Otwell), not to mention the fact it's been in the wild for so long therefore benefits from my being able to google practically *anything* and someone has already come across my issue.

On the other hand, many of Evolution's snippets and extensions haven't been updated for a while now, and I wonder what future it has.

Quick poll of opinion: shall I move over to Revolution for new sites I create given the above?