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Templates, Chunks & Perfomance ~ Best Practices?

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    Sean Kimball Reply #11, 14 years, 6 months ago
    I had gone through all my templates & associated chunks previously & removed whatever no-cache bangs I could find, with marginal results. Right now I am consolidating whatever chunks I can into single calls. So far the results with this are much better than working with the cache.

    The homepage is still loading from the database in around 8 - 10 seconds [mild improvement] but most pages are loading from cache in under 2 seconds on average.

    Curiously enough the biggest bump I've had so far was consolidating the footer chunks & html into one call, almost 2s load time difference.. ad most strangely, neither chunk had any processing, both were static html!?

    I don't know what to think about that... will post the new template soon, have one more thing to try + implementing Mark & Bruno's suggestions [very interesting - thanks guys!]



    -sean
      *** Not just websites, we also create signage, banners, print, trade show displays and more! ***

      Sean Kimball CLP, CLS.
      Technical Director / Sr. Developer | BigBlock Studios
      ._______________________________________________.
      Bigblock Studios http://www.bigblockstudios.ca Web site design & development.
      27-1300 King Street East. Box 167 Oshawa, Ontario L1H8J4 Canada.
      phone/fax: 905-426-5525
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      Mark Hamstra Reply #12, 14 years, 6 months ago
      Sean, if you want I can have a quick look into your manager next week to see if I can spot any bottlenecks, send over login details to mark at modx.com and I'll let you know if I can find anything.

      8-10 seconds is simply not acceptable and I can't think of many scenarios where something like that would be expected. There is of course some overhead in using multiple chunks, but that really shouldn't be noticable.
        Mark Hamstra • Developer spending his days working on Premium Extras and a MODX Site Dashboard with the ability to remotely upgrade MODX and extras to make the MODX world a little better.

        Tweet me @mark_hamstra, check my infrequent blog at markhamstra.com, my slightly more frequent ramblings at MODX.today or see code at Github.
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        Sean Kimball Reply #13, 14 years, 6 months ago
        Here is what the templates are looking like now:

        <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">

<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">

    <head>
    
        [[$PageHeader]]
        [[[[*LoadFlowPlayer:is=`true`:then=`$FlowplayerJS`:else:``]]]]
        [[[[*PPEnableScripts:is=`true`:then=`$PowerPointHeaders`:else:``]]]]
        [[$GoogleAnalytics]]
    
    </head>
    
    <body>
    
        <div id="viewport" class="[[*ContentSection]]">
        
            <div id="header">
                <div id="logo"><a href="/" ><img src="/assets/images/transparent.gif" height="117" width="243" border="0" /></a></div>
                <div id="banner"></div>
            </div>
            
            <div id="main-navigation"> 
            	[[Wayfinder? &debug=`0` &startId=`0` &level=`3` &displayStart=`1` &outerTpl=`MainOuterTpl` &rowTpl=`MainRowTpl` &parentRowTpl=`MainParentRow` &cacheResults=`1`]] 
            </div>
            
            <div id="breadcrumbs">
            	[[Breadcrumbs? &crumbSeparator=`>` &currentAsLink=`false` &titleField=`longtitle` &showCrumbsAtHome=`0`]] 
            </div>
            
            [[*id:eq=`1`:then=`[[$ShowSlider]][[$VerticalTicker]]`:else=``]]
            
            <div id="main-content">
            
                <div id="left-content"> 
                    [[*ShowTitle]]
                    [[*content]] 
                    [[[[*PPEnableScripts:is=`true`:then=`$PowerPointPageContent`:else=``]]]]
                    [[*FeedbackID:notequalto=`0`:then=`[[$ShowPollFeedback]]`]]
                    [[*allowComments]]
                </div>
                
                <div id="right-content"> [[ShowOncologistSearch]]
                    [[[[*CalloutPositionOne:notempty=`*CalloutPositionOne`]]]]
                    [[[[*CalloutPositionTwo:notempty=`*CalloutPositionTwo`]]]]
                    [[[[*CalloutPositionThree:notempty=`*CalloutPositionThree`]]]]
                    [[[[*CalloutPositionFour:notempty=`*CalloutPositionFour`]]]]
                    [[[[*CalloutPositionFive:notempty=`*CalloutPositionFive`]]]]
                </div>
                
            </div>
            
            [[$PageFooter]] 
        
        </div>
      
    </body>
    
</html>


        The home page is still taking close to 10 seconds to load from database, but everything coming from cache is generally under 2s now. [indicating to me that there is still something being called unached!!]
          *** Not just websites, we also create signage, banners, print, trade show displays and more! ***

          Sean Kimball CLP, CLS.
          Technical Director / Sr. Developer | BigBlock Studios
          ._______________________________________________.
          Bigblock Studios http://www.bigblockstudios.ca Web site design & development.
          27-1300 King Street East. Box 167 Oshawa, Ontario L1H8J4 Canada.
          phone/fax: 905-426-5525
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          Sean Kimball Reply #14, 14 years, 6 months ago
          Quote from: markh at Apr 06, 2012, 06:02 PM
          Sean, if you want I can have a quick look into your manager next week to see if I can spot any bottlenecks, send over login details to mark at modx.com and I'll let you know if I can find anything.

          8-10 seconds is simply not acceptable and I can't think of many scenarios where something like that would be expected. There is of course some overhead in using multiple chunks, but that really shouldn't be noticable.

          Wow - thanks Mark, absolutely I'll take you up on that. Will send the deets over soon.

          -sean
            *** Not just websites, we also create signage, banners, print, trade show displays and more! ***

            Sean Kimball CLP, CLS.
            Technical Director / Sr. Developer | BigBlock Studios
            ._______________________________________________.
            Bigblock Studios http://www.bigblockstudios.ca Web site design & development.
            27-1300 King Street East. Box 167 Oshawa, Ontario L1H8J4 Canada.
            phone/fax: 905-426-5525
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            Mark Hamstra Reply #15, 14 years, 6 months ago
            Possibly something in one of those chunks? An easy way to see what's uncached is by opening its cache file (be warned, they're quite big tongue) in core/cache/resource/web/resources/x.cache.php.

            Find the "_content" index there which contains the entire output with cached tags parsed, but uncached or tags that could not be processed remaining in place.
              Mark Hamstra • Developer spending his days working on Premium Extras and a MODX Site Dashboard with the ability to remotely upgrade MODX and extras to make the MODX world a little better.

              Tweet me @mark_hamstra, check my infrequent blog at markhamstra.com, my slightly more frequent ramblings at MODX.today or see code at Github.
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              Sean Kimball Reply #16, 14 years, 6 months ago
              Quote from: markh at Apr 06, 2012, 06:38 PM
              Possibly something in one of those chunks? An easy way to see what's uncached is by opening its cache file (be warned, they're quite big tongue) in core/cache/resource/web/resources/x.cache.php.

              Find the "_content" index there which contains the entire output with cached tags parsed, but uncached or tags that could not be processed remaining in place.

              I was just actually gonna run a query on the database for '!' :p
                *** Not just websites, we also create signage, banners, print, trade show displays and more! ***

                Sean Kimball CLP, CLS.
                Technical Director / Sr. Developer | BigBlock Studios
                ._______________________________________________.
                Bigblock Studios http://www.bigblockstudios.ca Web site design & development.
                27-1300 King Street East. Box 167 Oshawa, Ontario L1H8J4 Canada.
                phone/fax: 905-426-5525
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                Mark Hamstra Reply #17, 14 years, 6 months ago
                Lol, that's an option as well I guess tongue
                  Mark Hamstra • Developer spending his days working on Premium Extras and a MODX Site Dashboard with the ability to remotely upgrade MODX and extras to make the MODX world a little better.

                  Tweet me @mark_hamstra, check my infrequent blog at markhamstra.com, my slightly more frequent ramblings at MODX.today or see code at Github.
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                  Sean Kimball Reply #18, 14 years, 6 months ago
                  OK, getting more than a little frustrated with this [this is all my modx sites]

                  Just provisioned a new DV4 server at MediaTemple thinking that updated php/apache/mysql would help the speed issue. No improvement at all, I have plain pages that are loading in like 4 seconds before being cached.

                  I don't want to leave MediaTemple... is there some 'requirements' documentation somewhere that lays out what php configs need to be set [or unset] required loaded php/apache modules [or known conflicts?]

                  [the new environment is centos 64/php 5.3.5]

                  BTW, I get about 1000 of these on a single page load:
                  
[2012-04-19 16:27:28] (DEBUG @ /index.php) Language string not found: ""
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                    *** Not just websites, we also create signage, banners, print, trade show displays and more! ***

                    Sean Kimball CLP, CLS.
                    Technical Director / Sr. Developer | BigBlock Studios
                    ._______________________________________________.
                    Bigblock Studios http://www.bigblockstudios.ca Web site design & development.
                    27-1300 King Street East. Box 167 Oshawa, Ontario L1H8J4 Canada.
                    phone/fax: 905-426-5525
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                    Mark Hamstra Reply #19, 14 years, 6 months ago
                    I've heard issues with MT before, but don't have any first hand experience with it myself.

                    Reqs are here: http://develop.modx.com/develop/revolution/requirements/
                      Mark Hamstra • Developer spending his days working on Premium Extras and a MODX Site Dashboard with the ability to remotely upgrade MODX and extras to make the MODX world a little better.

                      Tweet me @mark_hamstra, check my infrequent blog at markhamstra.com, my slightly more frequent ramblings at MODX.today or see code at Github.
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                      Sean Kimball Reply #20, 14 years, 5 months ago
                      Everything checks out there - are there any 'known issues' with any apache modules/php extensions etc? any recommended tweaks to be done to my.cnf/php.ini
                        *** Not just websites, we also create signage, banners, print, trade show displays and more! ***

                        Sean Kimball CLP, CLS.
                        Technical Director / Sr. Developer | BigBlock Studios
                        ._______________________________________________.
                        Bigblock Studios http://www.bigblockstudios.ca Web site design & development.
                        27-1300 King Street East. Box 167 Oshawa, Ontario L1H8J4 Canada.
                        phone/fax: 905-426-5525