Thanks all, guess lesson learned about stupidity, I didn’t even see the template.php...I was too centered on scouring the class.php file!! and since everything else worked calling the template it never occurred to me...
guys I appreciate it, everything works as it should, messages sent out by manager are good looking, all the webloginpe forms are sharp, and eform hasn’t failed once.
I feel foolish, going into a rabid frenzy like that....

it’s just I have been on this project now far tooooo long and after the styling, setting up new language files, etc....well I am sure more than one of you have been there before, too much caffeine and saying to yourself: "I’ll just fix this then get to sleep"

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if there is anything positive, well at least we know that in my case, ports played a part, but I still don’t get that...
and when you have all your templates in one basket back up webloginpe.templates.php and replace the defaultweblogin...I actually just left the message and then called for a ten second redirect to my login page, wonderful.
major thanks allanb for the links, and work!! (and helping a dolt get the css in the right place)