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    Hi guys,

    I’m looking into creating a blogging site using modx, however, my first impressions are not good. I’m reading a lot of information saying that ’NewsPublisher’ has no support for template variables and that I should use QuickManager. The quick manager isn’t really the same thing is it? I’m looking to create setup where everyone can login/register and then create blogs (posts) into categories. These blogs need to have custom parameters like content/images etc. Ie I want to use template variables... I also want users to only be able to edit blogs ’they’ have created, and I want to be able to set where they can add new blogs.

    What’s the best way to go about this? Do I use NP and forget about TV, or do I somehow do it with QM?

    Any help is appreciated,

    Many thanks,

    Niall
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      Hi,
      I know many will disagree, but even though I’m a huge advocate of MODx, I never ever want to use it as a blog. I’m all about Wordpress for that, and there are other great blogging systems that are not as tricked out as Wordpress. I have made MODx blogs anyway, though, due to client requests, when they really want it.

      There was a guy that was making something called PKBlog, which was very promising. I have no idea if he’s doing it anymore. A search on that may yield something.

      Good luck, D
        MODx and Wordpress development
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        samba, it’d be interesting to hear what it would take specifically for you to consider MODx to be a good blogging platform.
          Ryan Thrash, MODX Co-Founder
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          Hi Ryan,
          In my opinion MODx will work as a good, very simple blogging platform, but not a great one. Niall intends to make a blogging site. I would think that if you used WP as much as you do MODx, it would be crystal clear.

          Just ease of use is number one. First impressions matter, and Niall certainly didn’t have a good one. I’m certain that there are many like him, at least concerning blogging, and they’re just quiet about it. I’m speaking about Evolution, maybe Rev has a different scenario. The blog that comes with MODx installs is an assemblage of various parts, many of which, like Jot and Reflect, I still don’t understand. (My Ditto knowledge, hard-won through trying to follow documentation and making dozens of errors, is much better, but was also no cakewalk, though worth it in the end) Could I understand these snippets if I carefully studied them? Yes. But do I already have components for comments, tags, and the like in Wordpress already set up for me? Yes. How hard would it be to set up a MODx blog without having the pre-installed thing? Tricky and error-prone, in my opinion, from personal experience.

          Some more things I like from the WP end... it’s like those annoying Apple ads... if I want social bookmarking on a page or post, and the ability to turn it off per page, there’s an app for that, with dozens of social site links and plenty of custom options. If I make a Post, I can categorize it on the fly and add tags, put in custom fields, allow or disallow comments and pingbacks, all built-in. When I save the posts, tags automagically go to the sidebar, etc. if desired, and auto-archives are updated. Those are just a few things, I’ve left out tons more. There are also many, many more plugins available for WP than there are for MODx.

          You can do some of those things with MODx, but much more manual and set-up work is involved. But I’m not implying that MODx should do all of these. WP works so well with them because it’s structured with that in mind. To do this, I think MODx would need to be entirely re-structured, and its own "blank slate" approach is highly flexible and better than WP in other ways. I’ve even made a comparison chart of the strengths and weaknesses of each system, from my personal point of view. And yes, someone may say that if I’m complaining and want something else, build it myself, just so we have that covered. And yes, if someone really wants functionality of MODx but also wants a very rudimentary blog, it will certainly do for that.

          The right tool for the right job. And I know that for many, if they have a fave system, they try to make it do absolutely everything. I don’t think that way at all.

          Actually one last WP trump card - they offer free blogs on wordpress.com, no worries ever about keeping the system up to date, and so on, unless someone really wants more control, unlimited plugin usage, and maximum theming flexibility.

          Maybe that’s more than you bargained for, but you asked. smiley And I’m ready to get shot down for having a dissenting opinion. That’s what forums are all about. wink
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            No shooting here wink I think most of us will agree with you; the right tool for the right job. If you want a forum, then there are entire teams that have spent years developing forum software like SMF. If you want just a blog, the WordPress may very well be the best tool. Sometimes an all-purpose framework is just more than you need. Where MODx shines is where you need a combination of things, where a dedicated tool will be too restrictive.
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              I would rather set up a restricted manager user
              then a web user to manage blog posts.

              ManagerManager and http://modxcms.com/forums/index.php/topic,48084.msg281826.html#msg281826
              Makes it piece of cake.

              But it’s not a crime to use WP! See http://modxcms.com/forums/index.php/topic,34880.0.html
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                Great feedback Samba. Thanks for taking the time to post.

                The reason I ask is that I too agree the Evo blog is a bit of a mess. On my personal site I wanted essentially a traditional blog and so I went and bought the HTML version of a Wordpress theme from Themeforrest.net and spent a boatload of time converting it and haranguing Shaun to help get some snippets sorted out to make it feature complete. It has multiple post root directories as another level of categorization (could be used for multiple subjects or multiple authors), tagging, threaded comments with moderation and auto closing, social bookmarks, search, twitter post retrieval, auto-archives by recent posts/tags/months, etc. No trackbacks though.

                t’d be straightforward to hang different features (comments, social bookmarks, etc.) off TVs that flag the options on a per-post basis, or to insert custom galleries of pictures or video as posts. Lots of possibilities now the basics are in place. Really just needs a couple of custom buttons when you login to make posting faster and easier from the welcome page. Not a huge task there either.

                But do I already have components for comments, tags, and the like in Wordpress already set up for me? Yes. How hard would it be to set up a MODx blog without having the pre-installed thing? Tricky and error-prone, in my opinion, from personal experience.
                ...
                You can do some of those things with MODx, but much more manual and set-up work is involved.

                With Evo I definitely agree, but this is an area where Revo shines. You could install a blog content pack just like described above if someone takes the time to put it together. It could be totally integrated into an existing site with configuration options of what you want to turn on or off or how you want it to behave during installation. Gee, I wonder if anyone will be working on such a thing, especially since Devtrench has been working on some interesting and related stuff, too. wink

                Anyone interested in something like this?
                  Ryan Thrash, MODX Co-Founder
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                  With Evo I definitely agree, but this is an area where Revo shines. You could install a blog content pack just like described above if someone takes the time to put it together. It could be totally integrated into an existing site with configuration options of what you want to turn on or off or how you want it to behave during installation. Gee, I wonder if anyone will be working on such a thing, especially since Devtrench has been working on some interesting and related stuff, too. Wink
                  Anyone interested in something like this?
                  this would be awesome, and i really would be interested to see it being set up differently than using ressources, and as resommended here: http://modxcms.com/forums/index.php/topic,18872.msg292265.html#msg292265 since a blog could easily exceed 100 ressources
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                    Ryan,
                    Thanks for that info, and I’m glad you’re receptive to feedback. You’re always a great guy. smiley I do use Revo now a bit on the side, I’m just learning it, and so far I’ve been very impressed, so I think your idea is very promising.

                    Sharkbait’s idea is very intriguing... I’ve learned to take his ideas quite seriously.

                    Mr Haw, thanks for that interesting post about pulling MODx into WP. That’s fascinating, though possibly a little over my head. In the past I’ve played with using includes to Frankenstein things together, but I usually bang into my limitations as a PHP programmer when doing so. smiley

                    Cheers, Dave
                      MODx and Wordpress development
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