<![CDATA[ Outsourcing modx development - My Forums]]> https://forums.modx.com/thread/?thread=25869 <![CDATA[Re: Outsourcing modx development]]> https://forums.modx.com/thread/25869/outsourcing-modx-development?page=2#dis-post-131952 Quote from: Mark at Mar 12, 2011, 12:37 PM

Sounds like you’re not being respected by your clients...
may be but they keep saying: "i like you, you r hardworker, plz help me and i will give more work very soon.. plz plz.." or "i am happy when you are happy with working for me.. plz let me know when you’r not satisfied with payment and i will make extra payment..."]]> modx.customize Mar 12, 2011, 12:24 PM https://forums.modx.com/thread/25869/outsourcing-modx-development?page=2#dis-post-131952 <![CDATA[Re: Outsourcing modx development]]> https://forums.modx.com/thread/25869/outsourcing-modx-development?page=2#dis-post-131951

Whenever a client requests something that was not in the specs, I tell them it was not included and will be billed additionally at my hourly rate and an estimate of the hours to be spend. If they don’t agree with that, I don’t do the extra work, and if they do, they know what they can expect on the final invoice smiley


When I ran a web agency with a friend (who would do the design) we had a clause in the general conditions that said we have the right to share the project in our portfolio, and if they didn’t want that to happen (for whatever mystical reason..) it would be possible to pay us a fee to not include it. We never actually issued a fee for that, but by having it in your general conditions you are backed up and can decide on a per case basis whether or not you want to charge that fee. Right now I’m only doing development, and it’s a bit more tricky to make a portfolio of front-end development, which is why I’m asking for recommendations on LinkedIn whenever I finish a project. Slowly that will become my portfolio, with a few MODX addons sprinkled on top. smiley]]> markh Mar 12, 2011, 06:37 AM https://forums.modx.com/thread/25869/outsourcing-modx-development?page=2#dis-post-131951 <![CDATA[Re: Outsourcing modx development]]> https://forums.modx.com/thread/25869/outsourcing-modx-development?page=2#dis-post-131950 Quote from: Oleg at Mar 12, 2011, 01:58 AM


Anyone else here have a project-based or market-based rate?

i do. when i try to build a specification for the client i follow the time spent for previous proj of the same kind.
sometimes I am lucky with specification when client is fair. but when client try to get something more which is far from specified descr. i am in trouble because if the client does not agree to pay extra for extra time /work then client disagrees to pay the balance due >:(
in this case neither client is happy with time no me with the project price

another nagative issue is that most of the clients started to clain a private work - they ask me never include thair websites to my porfolio.
client does not get another link to own website, developer does not get updated portfolio, unfortunatelly.

To summarise: modx development can / should be outsourted without any trouble by hourly rate or project spec. Extra work should be paid, please.
]]> modx.customize Mar 12, 2011, 02:04 AM https://forums.modx.com/thread/25869/outsourcing-modx-development?page=2#dis-post-131950 <![CDATA[Re: Outsourcing modx development]]> https://forums.modx.com/thread/25869/outsourcing-modx-development?page=2#dis-post-131949

I have a set baseline price for an informational website (MODx site) that covers everything a small business usually needs, including unlimited imported pages, contact form, and gallery or search box. More specifically, I have three baseline prices - one for a template-based or pre-designed site, one for a custom design with standard graphic design, and one for a high-end design. This is the smallest type of website I offer, and the prices are based on the market rate. If I go a couple weeks without landing a project, I lower them. If I get a big waiting list, I raise them. As my portfolio improves, I’ve been slowly raising the base price over time for new clients.

Anything that needs to be added on (login system, an extra contact form, etc...) is added on top of the base price. I base the "addon" estimates somewhat on time - so yes, I do have a rough hourly (or more often daily) rate in my head, but this is usually based on how much the base site costs at the time and how long the component takes to add compared to the time I take on the base site. Then, I just round to the nearest $50.

I know this seems very haphazard, but my prices (and client flow) actually stay very stable for a few months at a time. Considering that I am still very new to freelancing and that my prices have to go up anyways as my portfolio grows, I think this is a pretty good system so far.

Anyone else here have a project-based or market-based rate?]]> yoleg Mar 11, 2011, 07:58 PM https://forums.modx.com/thread/25869/outsourcing-modx-development?page=2#dis-post-131949 <![CDATA[Re: Outsourcing modx development]]> https://forums.modx.com/thread/25869/outsourcing-modx-development#dis-post-131948
I would assume a time estimate times an hourly wage... that’s what I do smiley

Oleg, those random numbers you posted seem to pretty much match what I heard from others and some online statistics.]]> markh Mar 11, 2011, 04:44 PM https://forums.modx.com/thread/25869/outsourcing-modx-development#dis-post-131948 <![CDATA[Re: Outsourcing modx development]]> https://forums.modx.com/thread/25869/outsourcing-modx-development#dis-post-131947

I personally don’t have an hourly rate and always charge by the project, with proper quotes ahead of time. I’ve found my clients respond much better to this, and it give me the flexibility to charge lower for projects I’m interested in (usually programming I haven’t done before).]]> yoleg Mar 11, 2011, 02:01 PM https://forums.modx.com/thread/25869/outsourcing-modx-development#dis-post-131947 <![CDATA[Re: Outsourcing modx development]]> https://forums.modx.com/thread/25869/outsourcing-modx-development#dis-post-131946 Quote from: modx.customize at Mar 11, 2011, 10:14 AM

Quote from: Mark at Mar 11, 2011, 09:40 AM

Guess I really need to up my rates? laugh Lol


+1

+3 (granted wait till after we finish up Handyman and such grin)]]> AMDbuilder Mar 11, 2011, 01:32 PM https://forums.modx.com/thread/25869/outsourcing-modx-development#dis-post-131946 <![CDATA[Re: Outsourcing modx development]]> https://forums.modx.com/thread/25869/outsourcing-modx-development#dis-post-131945 Quote from: Mark at Mar 11, 2011, 09:40 AM

Guess I really need to up my rates? laugh Lol


+1]]> modx.customize Mar 11, 2011, 04:14 AM https://forums.modx.com/thread/25869/outsourcing-modx-development#dis-post-131945 <![CDATA[Re: Outsourcing modx development]]> https://forums.modx.com/thread/25869/outsourcing-modx-development#dis-post-131944 Lol

At this point demand & supply is definitely playing a role in MODX developer wages. I’m a student, and develop on the side... I could probably find enough work for full time development without any problems though. Heck, without advertising I was looking for work at all.


To get back to the topic, I am being hired by full-service agencies (or just companies that could do with an extra MODX hand) and the experiences are good. Everybody gets to do what they do best, and of course you have to take a plunge and hope to find someone that delivers quality. When you do, you will find that you will save time by hiring someone who knows what they’re doing.


I do agree with Oleg though. If you have the developers background, you may want to try it out yourself as well. The hardest thing I ran into myself was ExtJS, but that’s not even required - you could just use tables should you so please smiley]]> markh Mar 11, 2011, 03:40 AM https://forums.modx.com/thread/25869/outsourcing-modx-development#dis-post-131944 <![CDATA[Re: Outsourcing modx development]]> https://forums.modx.com/thread/25869/outsourcing-modx-development#dis-post-131943 Quote from: modx.customize at Mar 10, 2011, 05:59 AM

What do you mean "people familiar in MODx are rare compared to people familiar in PHP.."?

Why do you say "charge higher for MODx work.."?

It’s not so much that MODx developers charge higher than others, but statistically it is harder to find cheaper rates. Say you can find 1000 PHP/ Drupal/ Joomla/ etc... developers charging between $20/hr and $200/hr, with an average of $60 (making up numbers here and ignoring quality). However, you might be able to only find 20 MODx developers charging between $50/hr and $70/hr. It’s not that MODx developers charge more on average, it’s that the cheaper rates are less available since you have less of a range. And odeclas is right, you can mark up when you specialize. That’s been my experience: I’ve found listings for hundreds of PHP developers, but only a handful that know MODx.]]> yoleg Mar 10, 2011, 03:04 PM https://forums.modx.com/thread/25869/outsourcing-modx-development#dis-post-131943